AFC West Denver Broncos

[CSpringsNSD]

Decker has a strain knee PCL not ACL
http://t.co/oZK5iI9hQ4

His wife Jesse James will be unhappy with that....

I'm sure she can nurse him back to health

Yep...I'd "lay" money on that....

HAHAHA

[OnlyInUtah]

RIP Yogi Berra.

[OnlyInUtah]

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... 2_19581841

[Hoppy]

Peyton sat out today and every Wednesday
http://t.co/VZJ64ipntg

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INJURY REPORT BRONCOS - LIONS
http://t.co/6IB6ubPzzO

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Manning's presser
http://t.co/9JCU0AEbVu

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OL needs to steep it up(Mile High Report)
http://t.co/zQr0sR5pWV

[OnlyInUtah]

OL needs to steep it up(Mile High Report)
http://t.co/zQr0sR5pWV

They indeed need to "steep" it up. They are awful except in a couple of spots. Hopefully they respond. We drafted one OL in the draft (Sambrailo or something) and didn't address that position except for him, at all. We either jettisoned or let the last years line walk and didn't do much to address that. I'm amazed and proud of this defense but if you go West Coast Offense you need a line....and a QB that can run it. We have neither right now. We have Manning and need to protect the guy. OZ is nothing more than a very tall Brian Griese....a stopgap at best. Probably a good backup. He'll never make it farther than that.

Right now, this season, we need to protect Manning and let him do his thing and count on this defense.

[IckyIPA]

OL needs to steep it up(Mile High Report)
http://t.co/zQr0sR5pWV

They indeed need to "steep" it up. They are awful except in a couple of spots. Hopefully they respond. We drafted one OL in the draft (Sambrailo or something) and didn't address that position except for him, at all. We either jettisoned or let the last years line walk and didn't do much to address that. I'm amazed and proud of this defense but if you go West Coast Offense you need a line....and a QB that can run it. We have neither right now. We have Manning and need to protect the guy. OZ is nothing more than a very tall Brian Griese....a stopgap at best. Probably a good backup. He'll never make it farther than that.

Right now, this season, we need to protect Manning and let him do his thing and count on this defense.

I haven't been impressed with the outside help we have brought in on the line. I haven't seen Mathis do anything and Garcia did a great job in preseason. He beat out Shelley Smith. Ryan Harris is ok I guess, but not so good we shouldn't be giving Schoefield a look in game situations.I guess he's not cutting it if they are still looking for a RT to bring in. Paradis and Ty are the future at their positions. Seimian might be the answer moving forward if Brock doesn't pan out. The kid has the tools and they really like him.

[OnlyInUtah]

OL needs to steep it up(Mile High Report)
http://t.co/zQr0sR5pWV

They indeed need to "steep" it up. They are awful except in a couple of spots. Hopefully they respond. We drafted one OL in the draft (Sambrailo or something) and didn't address that position except for him, at all. We either jettisoned or let the last years line walk and didn't do much to address that. I'm amazed and proud of this defense but if you go West Coast Offense you need a line....and a QB that can run it. We have neither right now. We have Manning and need to protect the guy. OZ is nothing more than a very tall Brian Griese....a stopgap at best. Probably a good backup. He'll never make it farther than that.

Right now, this season, we need to protect Manning and let him do his thing and count on this defense.

I haven't been impressed with the outside help we have brought in on the line. I haven't seen Mathis do anything and Garcia did a great job in preseason. He beat out Shelley Smith. Ryan Harris is ok I guess, but not so good we shouldn't be giving Schoefield a look in game situations.I guess he's not cutting it if they are still looking for a RT to bring in. Paradis and Ty are the future at their positions. Seimian might be the answer moving forward if Brock doesn't pan out. The kid has the tools and they really like him.

Siemian might be the bright spot at QB.

[Hoppy]

OL needs to steep it up(Mile High Report)
http://t.co/zQr0sR5pWV

They indeed need to "steep" it up. They are awful except in a couple of spots. Hopefully they respond. We drafted one OL in the draft (Sambrailo or something) and didn't address that position except for him, at all. We either jettisoned or let the last years line walk and didn't do much to address that. I'm amazed and proud of this defense but if you go West Coast Offense you need a line....and a QB that can run it. We have neither right now. We have Manning and need to protect the guy. OZ is nothing more than a very tall Brian Griese....a stopgap at best. Probably a good backup. He'll never make it farther than that.

Right now, this season, we need to protect Manning and let him do his thing and count on this defense.

I haven't been impressed with the outside help we have brought in on the line. I haven't seen Mathis do anything and Garcia did a great job in preseason. He beat out Shelley Smith. Ryan Harris is ok I guess, but not so good we shouldn't be giving Schoefield a look in game situations.I guess he's not cutting it if they are still looking for a RT to bring in. Paradis and Ty are the future at their positions. Seimian might be the answer moving forward if Brock doesn't pan out. The kid has the tools and they really like him.

Siemian might be the bright spot at QB.

Garcia did beat out everyone at LG and the line was doing better I thought but the team must have felt he wasn't do well. It also may just have been that they didn't want 2 rookies on Manning's blind side. Garcia was a draft choice of ours a 5th I think and may push Mathis out of here if he doesn't improve with his blocking. All the press saying he was the best free agent the team brought in this off season sounds shaky. Siemian looked great in the preseason against guys who are at home now or on the PS of some teams. where as Brock ran the team well this preseason and against starters in most cases. Yes Siemiam looked fine but even in college he was below average at best. I will say again If we don't run the ball (and we can't in Manning's system) we will not go to the Bowl game. Manning is old with a lot of Yards on that arm. He will wear down and we will be in the same position we have been in sense he came here. Teams will drop their Backers into the passing zones and The pass rush will be all over Manning. Search you memory I'm not making this up Just remember all the Playoff games starting with the SB against The Hawks. They showed the league how to beat the Broncos and teams have built their teams to do so. Brock is a better QB in the West Coast system that Kub wants to run.

[OnlyInUtah]

OZ looked good against 2nd and 3rd string defenses in preseason. He always does until the regular season.

[Hoppy]

OZ looked good against 2nd and 3rd string defenses in preseason. He always does until the regular season.

Brock played more against the First string than Payton did this preseason. That's why Peyton is getting the pass. He didn't get many reps in the new offense

[Hoppy]

Troy Renck
http://t.co/olS9DPWaBN

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Photos of today's practice
http://t.co/vbsTIFrrVV

[OnlyInUtah]

Let them put OZ in then. It won't be pretty....this is regular season and they're playing for real now.

[Hoppy]

Wade on Stafford
http://t.co/YK63w10bFG

[Bigmac1979]

Here is my 2 cents...I think Hop might very well be right that OZ would elevate this offense. And if we still running Del Rio's "ho hum, bend and bend and hope you don't break, thank GOD I have enough talent to make my scheme look better than it really is" defense, I would probably vote to give Oz a chance.
However, I don't think benching Manning is the best thing for THIS team right now. We might well have the best defense in the league...knowing how quickly FA, injuries, and age can alter a defense from year to year, I don't think you can waste a season with a top defense and expect it to come back strong the next year. Moreover, history is not kind to rookie/first year starter QB's trying to win a Super Bowl, even with dominant Defenses. Aikman won in year 4, Rodgers year 3, Eli Manning year 3, Rothlisberger 2 (despite having a 15-1 team with the #1 defense), and Wilson 2.
I think we have to see if Manning and the O can get on track and possibly lead Denver to a Super Bowl. Denver has 4 very winnable games before the bye; if Manning hasn't figured it out by then, make the switch and hope that Elway can keep this Defense intact while Oz develops.

[Bigmac1979]

Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, Trevathan, Malik Jackson, Antonio Smith, David Bruton, Brandon Marshall (RFA), Austin, Bolden, and McCray are all Free Agents after this season

[OnlyInUtah]

Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, Trevathan, Malik Jackson, Antonio Smith, David Bruton, Brandon Marshall (RFA), Austin, Bolden, and McCray are all Free Agents after this season

It's going to be hard to re-sign all of them. We will have Manning's salary to play with however. We need to sign Miller for sure though. Guys like that don't come along all the time and we won't have top draft picks in the foreseeable future...hopefully. We'll need money put aside to fix this offensive line as well. That is one area we've neglected terribly.

[OnlyInUtah]

And even if we have a mobile QB....this line we've scrapped together is mediocre at best. Even running the West Coast offense, any QB will be running for his life or getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds tops. I was timing the pass rush last week and if the ball was held longer than a second and a half the QB was dead meat. OZ is no Wilson.....and even Wilson would be running for his life behind this line. I know we miss Clady but at his price he's expendable next year as he has trouble staying healthy. Hopefully Kubiak can work with the line and at least get them serviceable.

[Hoppy]

And even if we have a mobile QB....this line we've scrapped together is mediocre at best. Even running the West Coast offense, any QB will be running for his life or getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds tops. I was timing the pass rush last week and if the ball was held longer than a second and a half the QB was dead meat. OZ is no Wilson.....and even Wilson would be running for his life behind this line. I know we miss Clady but at his price he's expendable next year as he has trouble staying healthy. Hopefully Kubiak can work with the line and at least get them serviceable.

This will grow into a good line in time it may take the whole season. We have a rookie at LT and a LG who is feeling his way into the system. Center who is a second year PS player. Might as well call him a rookie. RT who has played in the system is the only one who has. Vasquez at RT is learning this system. But they are learning Manning's system also. Brock moves better than Peyton that's why I believe he would be a better QB for the team Now. It will help the line because they only have to learn one system. I know you don't think much of Brock but at this time he is the best we have for all the reasons I've listed IMO.

[Hoppy]

Is Boehner going to run in 16

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Reinstate Pete Rose Best hitter ever. Time to take him out of time out. How many men have 4000 hits

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how Manny and Prater are doing in Detroit
http://t.co/ggsMdlRotW

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BTV preview of game
http://t.co/qJlrwPilkf

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Quick change your pick CUTLER OUT FOR SUNDAYS GAME
http://t.co/duHilfNiyG

[Bigmac1979]

And even if we have a mobile QB....this line we've scrapped together is mediocre at best. Even running the West Coast offense, any QB will be running for his life or getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds tops. I was timing the pass rush last week and if the ball was held longer than a second and a half the QB was dead meat. OZ is no Wilson.....and even Wilson would be running for his life behind this line. I know we miss Clady but at his price he's expendable next year as he has trouble staying healthy. Hopefully Kubiak can work with the line and at least get them serviceable.

This will grow into a good line in time it may take the whole season. We have a rookie at LT and a LG who is feeling his way into the system. Center who is a second year PS player. Might as well call him a rookie. RT who has played in the system is the only one who has. Vasquez at RT is learning this system. But they are learning Manning's system also. Brock moves better than Peyton that's why I believe he would be a better QB for the team Now. It will help the line because they only have to learn one system. I know you don't think much of Brock but at this time he is the best we have for all the reasons I've listed IMO.

Great discussion, fellas! Here is a question for everyone...if Manning does stay the starter, should Kubes/Denny scrap the WC and go full shotgun, scrap the shotgun and go full WC (but without the rollouts), or keep using a hybrid at the beginning of each game and then favor what ever system seems to be working that day? I personally like keeping the D's guessing, but I honestly don't know how much of that is stunting the OL's improvement. Ultimately, I would like to see if Manning can function in a modified WC offense, but I just don't know if he has enough deep accuracy left to capitalize on play action, and if the line can't figure out how to run-block as a unit, it's a moot point anyway.

[Hoppy]

And even if we have a mobile QB....this line we've scrapped together is mediocre at best. Even running the West Coast offense, any QB will be running for his life or getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds tops. I was timing the pass rush last week and if the ball was held longer than a second and a half the QB was dead meat. OZ is no Wilson.....and even Wilson would be running for his life behind this line. I know we miss Clady but at his price he's expendable next year as he has trouble staying healthy. Hopefully Kubiak can work with the line and at least get them serviceable.

This will grow into a good line in time it may take the whole season. We have a rookie at LT and a LG who is feeling his way into the system. Center who is a second year PS player. Might as well call him a rookie. RT who has played in the system is the only one who has. Vasquez at RT is learning this system. But they are learning Manning's system also. Brock moves better than Peyton that's why I believe he would be a better QB for the team Now. It will help the line because they only have to learn one system. I know you don't think much of Brock but at this time he is the best we have for all the reasons I've listed IMO.

Great discussion, fellas! Here is a question for everyone...if Manning does stay the starter, should Kubes/Denny scrap the WC and go full shotgun, scrap the shotgun and go full WC (but without the rollouts), or keep using a hybrid at the beginning of each game and then favor what ever system seems to be working that day? I personally like keeping the D's guessing, but I honestly don't know how much of that is stunting the OL's improvement. Ultimately, I would like to see if Manning can function in a modified WC offense, but I just don't know if he has enough deep accuracy left to capitalize on play action, and if the line can't figure out how to run-block as a unit, it's a moot point anyway.

I would keep the WC . Next season is what you have to play for . Manning will be gone and the QB will need his line to know the Offense. You built the line for your system go with it. Manning will have to adapt the great one can. He will have to work on his rollouts it's a big part of the WC and without it the defenses will just keep teeing off on the pocket like they are now. The future is WC it starts now or next season we'll be in worst shape because the elite will be gone.

[R8der113]

Reinstate Pete Rose Best hitter ever. Time to take him out of time out. How many men have 4000 hits

I agree Hoppy...man deserves it.
Go Bucs Go!!!!....our turn for those pesky cubbies, after sweeping your rockies......did I mention...Go Bucs Go!!!!