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by **IckyIPA** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:31 pm

Big Play Bruton

... Got one in all three games

by **Hoppy** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:56 pm

I guess any win is a good one but we still have to run the ball better. Defense was great hold the great K. Johnson to 77yards Player of the game Talib.will comment more tomorrow good night

by **Bigmac1979** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:59 pm

Baby steps, fellas...the line still can't spring a single decent run, but at least Peyton stayed pretty clean...Best of all, he finally looked comfortable with the offensive scheme...Bennie Fowler might be a player...Defense continues to impress...any road win is a good win!

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:55 am

At least we're 3 and 0. I have the feeling we'll win ugly all year....lol

by **IckyIPA** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:49 am

OnlyInUtah wrote:At least we're 3 and 0. I have the feeling we'll win ugly all year....lol

Sure is better than losing ugly. I have seen an improvement every week. Big Mac is right about the baby steps. The Broncos are still trying to find the right scheme for the guys they have on the field, and they are getting more cohesive as a unit in the mean time. I would have to say that's better than what Fox did last year. Fox made so many position changes and had almost the whole line out of position week in and week out. Seems Gary is using a page out of Wades book, by developing a scheme that fits the players, Kubes just doesn't have the horses that Phillips started out with. Elway wants to be playing the best ball at the end of the season, and so far, they seem to be going down that road

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:55 am

Bigmac1979 wrote:Baby steps, fellas...the line still can't spring a single decent run, but at least Peyton stayed pretty clean...Best of all, he finally looked comfortable with the offensive scheme...Bennie Fowler might be a player...Defense continues to impress...any road win is a good win!

It's the system. same system that we have run in the Manning years. Can't win a championship with it. You can if the defense believes your QB will keep the ball and run once in a while. The reason the holes aren't there no defensive player goes with the QB on running plays they know Manning isn't going to keep the ball. Just key on the back and plug the hole. The DE crashes and the play is dead before it gets started. 42 Yards rushing the ball in 18 carries not counting Manning's 1 for a -1. 42 passes by the 10th game if he keeps up that amount of passes a game he will be worn down and again like last season. A no legs no arm QB can't lead you to the promise land. I would trade a ugly win or 2 for a running game. blame the line all you want but if the defense sees you in the pistol and you have a QB who can run the defense has to honor the fakes. with Manning not so.

by **Bigmac1979** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:03 am

IckyIPA wrote:
OnlyInUtah wrote:At least we're 3 and 0. I have the feeling we'll win ugly all year....lol

Sure is better than losing ugly. I have seen an improvement every week. Big Mac is right about the baby steps. The Broncos are still trying to find the right scheme for the guys they have on the field, and they are getting more cohesive as a unit in the mean time. I would have to say that's better than what Fox did last year. Fox made so many position changes and had almost the whole line out of position week in and week out. Seems Gary is using a page out of Wades book, by developing a scheme that fits the players, Kubes just doesn't have the horses that Phillips started out with. Elway wants to be playing the best ball at the end of the season, and so far, they seem to be going down that road

I concur...the running game may disappoint all year, but I do think it will at least reach minimal levels for a professional NFL team. Time is the only thing that's going to help that left side gel into a cohesive blocking unit.
Manning definitely proved something to me yesterday. Yes, he's a brittle, old man, but he can still make most of his throws and he can overcome a terrible run game. As much faith as I have in Oz, I don't think he would be as successful as Manning without a functional running game, and I don't think his ability to boot/throw on the run would be enough to fix the run-blocking problems. Bottom line, this defense can carry a team to a championship, but history suggests that it won't happen with a 1st year starter running the show.

by **Bigmac1979** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:08 am

Hoppy wrote:
Bigmac1979 wrote:Baby steps, fellas...the line still can't spring a single decent run, but at least Peyton stayed pretty clean...Best of all, he finally looked comfortable with the offensive scheme...Bennie Fowler might be a player...Defense continues to impress...any road win is a good win!

It's the system. same system that we have run in the Manning years. Can't win a championship with it. You can if the defense believes your QB will keep the ball and run once in a while. The reason the holes aren't there no defensive player goes with the QB on running plays they know Manning isn't going to keep the ball. Just key on the back and plug the hole. The DE crashes and the play is dead before it gets started. 42 Yards rushing the ball in 18 carries not counting Manning's 1 for a -1. 42 passes by the 10th game if he keeps up that amount of passes a game he will be worn down and again like last season. A no legs no arm QB can't lead you to the promise land. I would trade a ugly win or 2 for a running game. blame the line all you want but if the defense sees you in the pistol and you have a QB who can run the defense has to honor the fakes. with Manning not so.

I think these are valid points, but I don't think the threat of a boot alone will give Denver a functional running game. It's not that the weakside defenders are simply taking out the cutting lanes...our RB isn't even getting to that stage! D-linemen are hitting the RBs before a play can even begin to develop. So even if we had a mobile QB to freeze the weakside defenders, we'd still be getting stuffed at the LOS, because our line can't open a dang hole big enough for a back to squeeze through!

by **IckyIPA** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:10 am

Kubiak dressed 6 receivers last night and said, he would use them all. I saw 5, didn't see Latimer on the field or in the stat box. I'm ok with him not being a factor 2nd round pick or not. Fowler and Norwood are just fine as 3 and 4 in my book, and that makes Bubba the best 5th receiver in the league. I'm not sure what is going on with Cody, but we aren't hurting at the position and that's a good thing.

by **Bigmac1979** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:13 am

IckyIPA wrote:Kubiak dressed 6 receivers last night and said, he would use them all. I saw 5, didn't see Latimer on the field or in the stat box. I'm ok with him not being a factor 2nd round pick or not. Fowler and Norwood are just fine as 3 and 4 in my book, and that makes Bubba the best 5th receiver in the league. I'm not sure what is going on with Cody, but we aren't hurting at the position and that's a good thing.

Latimer didn't get a single snap

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:21 am

IckyIPA wrote:Kubiak dressed 6 receivers last night and said, he would use them all. I saw 5, didn't see Latimer on the field or in the stat box. I'm ok with him not being a factor 2nd round pick or not. Fowler and Norwood are just fine as 3 and 4 in my book, and that makes Bubba the best 5th receiver in the league. I'm not sure what is going on with Cody, but we aren't hurting at the position and that's a good thing.

Not sure if Cody can catch on to the line calls. That was his problem last season with Manning. We all know he's a better receiver than Bubba.

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:06 pm

Bigmac1979 wrote:
Hoppy wrote:
Bigmac1979 wrote:Baby steps, fellas...the line still can't spring a single decent run, but at least Peyton stayed pretty clean...Best of all, he finally looked comfortable with the offensive scheme...Bennie Fowler might be a player...Defense continues to impress...any road win is a good win!

It's the system. same system that we have run in the Manning years. Can't win a championship with it. You can if the defense believes your QB will keep the ball and run once in a while. The reason the holes aren't there no defensive player goes with the QB on running plays they know Manning isn't going to keep the ball. Just key on the back and plug the hole. The DE crashes and the play is dead before it gets started. 42 Yards rushing the ball in 18 carries not counting Manning's 1 for a -1. 42 passes by the 10th game if he keeps up that amount of passes a game he will be worn down and again like last season. A no legs no arm QB can't lead you to the promise land. I would trade a ugly win or 2 for a running game. blame the line all you want but if the defense sees you in the pistol and you have a QB who can run the defense has to honor the fakes. with Manning not so.

I think these are valid points, but I don't think the threat of a boot alone will give Denver a functional running game. It's not that the weakside defenders are simply taking out the cutting lanes...our RB isn't even getting to that stage! D-linemen are hitting the RBs before a play can even begin to develop. So even if we had a mobile QB to freeze the weakside defenders, we'd still be getting stuffed at the LOS, because our line can't open a dang hole big enough for a back to squeeze through!

I agree. They were in the backfield in less than a second last night on some plays. Two seconds top in most plays. I was timing that last night. Manning has just adjusted and stepped up in front of the penetration last night.

by **Bigmac1979** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:17 pm

OnlyInUtah wrote:
Bigmac1979 wrote:
Hoppy wrote:
Bigmac1979 wrote:Baby steps, fellas...the line still can't spring a single decent run, but at least Peyton stayed pretty clean...Best of all, he finally looked comfortable with the offensive scheme...Bennie Fowler might be a player...Defense continues to impress...any road win is a good win!

It's the system. same system that we have run in the Manning years. Can't win a championship with it. You can if the defense believes your QB will keep the ball and run once in a while. The reason the holes aren't there no defensive player goes with the QB on running plays they know Manning isn't going to keep the ball. Just key on the back and plug the hole. The DE crashes and the play is dead before it gets started. 42 Yards rushing the ball in 18 carries not counting Manning's 1 for a -1. 42 passes by the 10th game if he keeps up that amount of passes a game he will be worn down and again like last season. A no legs no arm QB can't lead you to the promise land. I would trade a ugly win or 2 for a running game. blame the line all you want but if the defense sees you in the pistol and you have a QB who can run the defense has to honor the fakes. with Manning not so.

I think these are valid points, but I don't think the threat of a boot one will give Denver a functional running game. It's not that the weakside defenders are simply taking out the cutting lanes...our RB isn't even getting to that stage! D-linemen are hitting the RBs before a play can even begin to develop. So even if we had a mobile QB to freeze the weakside defenders, we'd still be getting stuffed at the LOS, because our line can't open a dang hole big enough for a back to squeeze through!

I agree. They were in the backfield in less than a second last night on some plays. Two seconds top in most plays. I was timing that last night. Manning has just adjusted and stepped up in front of the penetration last night.

One problem I noticed, at least on a couple of run plays, is that on double teams against a D-lineman, when one blocker peeled off to block someone in the second level, the other player was often having trouble transitioning to a 1-on-1 block. Honestly, it seemed like the double was hurting the play, because the initial blocker wasn't able to get in a good position to stay in front once the double team ended. The other problem is that the player looking for a second-level defender often seemed to whiff. I think both of those issues are somewhat correctable. Teammates will hopefully learn how to better engage and disengage from doubles, and the peel-off blocker should learn to anticipate where to find 2nd level LBs to hit. That's my hope, although it is also possible that these rookies just aren't ready to start!
One good piece of news: Mathis finally finished with a positive performance grade...if he can get on track, the rooks should should get the support they need.

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:25 pm

Bigmac1979 wrote:
OnlyInUtah wrote:
Bigmac1979 wrote:
Hoppy wrote:
Bigmac1979 wrote:Baby steps, fellas...the line still can't spring a single decent run, but at least Peyton stayed pretty clean...Best of all, he finally looked comfortable with the offensive scheme...Bennie Fowler might be a player...Defense continues to impress...any road win is a good win!

It's the system. same system that we have run in the Manning years. Can't win a championship with it. You can if the defense believes your QB will keep the ball and run once in a while. The reason the holes aren't there no defensive player goes with the QB on running plays they know Manning isn't going to keep the ball. Just key on the back and plug the hole. The DE crashes and the play is dead before it gets started. 42 Yards rushing the ball in 18 carries not counting Manning's 1 for a -1. 42 passes by the 10th game if he keeps up that amount of passes a game he will be worn down and again like last season. A no legs no arm QB can't lead you to the promise land. I would trade a ugly win or 2 for a running game. blame the line all you want but if the defense sees you in the pistol and you have a QB who can run the defense has to honor the fakes. with Manning not so.

I think these are valid points, but I don't think the threat of a boot one will give Denver a functional running game. It's not that the weakside defenders are simply taking out the cutting lanes...our RB isn't even getting to that stage! D-linemen are hitting the RBs before a play can even begin to develop. So even if we had a mobile QB to freeze the weakside defenders, we'd still be getting stuffed at the LOS, because our line can't open a dang hole big enough for a back to squeeze through!

I agree. They were in the backfield in less than a second last night on some plays. Two seconds top in most plays. I was timing that last night. Manning has just adjusted and stepped up in front of the penetration last night.

One problem I noticed, at least on a couple of run plays, is that on double teams against a D-lineman, when one blocker peeled off to block someone in the second level, the other player was often having trouble transitioning to a 1-on-1 block. Honestly, it seemed like the double was hurting the play, because the initial blocker wasn't able to get in a good position to stay in front once the double team ended. The other problem is that the player looking for a second-level defender often seemed to whiff. I think both of those issues are somewhat correctable. Teammates will hopefully learn how to better engage and disengage from doubles, and the peel-off blocker should learn to anticipate where to find 2nd level LBs to hit. That's my hope, although it is also possible that these rookies just aren't ready to start!
One good piece of news: Mathis finally finished with a positive performance grade...if he can get on track, the rooks should should get the support they need.

I agree that those things happen sometime but before the play gets started as I said is that the defense knows who is going to run with the ball. I also saw backs running into the line and the hole opens up in the next gap. they just don't have vision to see the hole. CJ is running with his head down more then up but that could be him expecting to get hit in the backfield. There were holes he just wasn't hitting them. They double on the tackles the ends crash they take out the ends the tackles make the play. The defense is blitzing to stop the run. I am hoping that the coach brings up Bibbs to see if he can hit the hole. I can't blame CJ, 8 rushes aren't enough to get into the flow of the game. You will see a great back next week in AP and they will feed him 20 times or more. He will be keyed on but that won't matter, they will still feed him the ball. Seems we forget what it 's like to have the best offense in the league until the playoffs. I don't want to go down that path again.

by **IckyIPA** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:31 pm

Manning presser, he sums up what I'm seeing nicely. The arsenal of plays the guys are comfortable with and confident in, is growing game by game
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia ... 76b7be75f5

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:03 pm

IckyIPA wrote:Manning presser, he sums up what I'm seeing nicely. The arsenal of plays the guys are comfortable with and confident in, is growing game by game
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia ... 76b7be75f5

I'm a fan and saw that yesterday I'm just not buying in

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:07 pm

This is what the chefs do in the locker room
https://www.facebook.com/BallerAlertcom ... 161286113/

well, well, well you go girl

by **R8der113** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:22 pm

Game on Hoppy....Go Bucs Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! beat them carbs and the division is yours!!!!!! :mrgreen:

Oh and tell Tyler to wear that S&B all this week.....speaking of weeks...we play the broncos week 5....going to be a slobberkocker!!! :mrgreen:

by **R8der113** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:27 pm

Dang Utah...can i get a pass on this season....I'm great at picking the IR list this year...even my kicker is done now...LOL :roll:

by **Bigmac1979** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:41 pm

Hoppy wrote:
IckyIPA wrote:Manning presser, he sums up what I'm seeing nicely. The arsenal of plays the guys are comfortable with and confident in, is growing game by game
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia ... 76b7be75f5

I'm a fan and saw that yesterday I'm just not buying in

Hop, I know you think the offense would move better and more consistently with Oz, and I think there is a significant chance you are right (although last night has me 80% convinced that Manning is still the best QB moving forward)...but if Denver does have the best D in the league, we might just also have our best chance yet to win the Super Bowl. Even if Oz proves to be the best QB for this system, there are very few examples of first year starters winning it all...Wilson, Rothlisberger, Rodgers, both Mannings...they all needed at least a season of starts to develop. Brady is the only one in the modern era to win it all his first year of starting.
If we bite the bullet and start Oz, we are pretty much conceding that Denver can't win it this year anyway. With the team 3-0 and showing slow signs of progress, I'm definitely not ready to close this window and hope a new one opens up for Oz.

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:17 pm

R8der113 wrote:Dang Utah...can i get a pass on this season....I'm great at picking the IR list this year...even my kicker is done now...LOL

lol

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:21 pm

week 4 report Troy Renck
http://t.co/Pig1m5vIz1

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:26 pm

what the game film revealed
http://t.co/1EXjF187Hb

by **Hoppy** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:25 pm

Just wanted to share this with you
https://www.facebook.com/78288660182721 ... 107378232/

by **IckyIPA** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:33 pm

Hoppy wrote:Just wanted to share this with you
https://www.facebook.com/78288660182721 ... 107378232/

I love that video, I have reposted that one a few times. Best part is when she tosses the ball to left fielder. The looks on his and the catchers face are priceless

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:15 pm

Hoppy wrote:Just wanted to share this with you
https://www.facebook.com/78288660182721 ... 107378232/

lol...she climbed that wall to get it.

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:16 pm

R8der113 wrote:Dang Utah...can i get a pass on this season....I'm great at picking the IR list this year...even my kicker is done now...LOL

What kicker do you have that managed to get hurt?....lol Kickers don't get hurt.

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:36 pm

If Ha Ha Clinton Dix would have connected he'd have taken Alice Smith's head off.

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:38 pm

I'm not normally a avid Packer fan but I am tonight. Having the Bolts and the Chiefs in an early hole would be nice.

by **OnlyInUtah** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:06 pm

14 - zip....a good start.

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