AFC West Denver Broncos

[IckyIPA]

Great weekend for me. We beat the raiders, Nevada won, My FF money team is Killing it, My FF team here is Killing it, 10-2 in Pick'em league so far, Venison for dinner, and New Walking Dead tonight. It don't get much better than this

This season of Walking Dead looks great. Last night's episode - A+.

Yes it does Kicks. Interesting how they laid out the story line last night. if you missed any of it you'd be lost. It kept me involved to say the least. I'm a huge fan and have several friends that are too. We usually have get togethers for season premieres and finales. Last night it was just me ,my gal, my son, and his fiance. More intimate and I was able to follow it more intently. We all have our favorites, I like Abraham, my Gal likes Carol, my Son is a Darrell fan, and his Gal likes Mishone, who is my next favorite... Hell I like 'em all

[Hoppy]

It just keeps getting more beautifully ugly. I am loviny it! At this point we are watching clowns raping manatees in a septic tank but I just can't stop watching. This team is built to keep it close and muscle out a win. This is playoff football and we are mentally hardening. AArrrRoooo!

you say that but you know a Playoff team will beat this broncos O-less team. Brady will smack us the Bengals could beat us If we have to play any team that don't make mistakes we fold . Mannings passes were overthrown underthrown. Yes some were dropped this Offense ran for a whopping 42 yards on 15 tries. You know and everyone on this page knows we can't win a SB like this. so what do we do

"Brady will smack us"...don't forget, after 4 games last year, NE was 2-2, had just gotten embarrassed by KC, and people (including NE fans) were saying that Brady was done. I'm not saying that we are in the same position or even that Peyton is poised to roar back for an MVP year, but it goes to show that teams often evolve over the course of the year.
If Peyton keeps throwing more picks than TDs, then I my patience will obviously wear thin. But I think this team with Peyton has a higher floor than the team with Oz as the starter. Unfortunately, Peyton probably lowers the offensive ceiling, but with this quality defense, I'd rather keep my risk low, rather chase slightly higher offensive potential. And let's face it, as much as I like Oz, there is no doubt that he carries with him plenty of total bust potential. If Kubes wasted this talented defense on an eventual bust, he'd have a virtual mutiny on his hands!

We are now comparing a 2-2 record and everyone saying Brady was done. If you look back to the year before Brady played well. Look back at Peyton's last season and you will see he played well the first part then fell apart the last 7 games he hasn't had a good game in his last 15. I'd say there a difference there wouldn't you. what makes Manning different then Johnny U or Broadway Joe. Age catches up with the best. I saw a presser that that I'm getting sick of seeing. Manning shaking his head with a look of sorrow saying I have to play better. He can't Yes he may have a good game may be two but he will go back to who he is now a old man playing with young men who are now bigger faster and stronger. His reflexes have gotten slower he's late with passes and he throws them into\o double coverage. Oz can do that. But I bet by playoffs he will be serviceable. Manning was great but he can't get that back sorry that's My opinion

[Hoppy]

See I'm not the only one Bench him
http://t.co/EVQlsLM46V

[Hoppy]

Ware ok
http://t.co/dUmYOVxNje

[Hoppy]

Kubiak said Thompson's hammy will cause Bibbs to be called up. He will make the decision later this week

[CSpringsNSD]

I think this may be a good week to see what OZ can do. Give Manning more rest from practice this week and plan to start OZ. We need to see what he can do surrounded by all the starters. This may be the best week to do so. Gives manning that much more rest since next week we have the bye.

[OnlyInUtah]

I think this may be a good week to see what OZ can do. Give Manning more rest from practice this week and plan to start OZ. We need to see what he can do surrounded by all the starters. This may be the best week to do so. Gives manning that much more rest since next week we have the bye.

Sounds reasonable to me but Kubiak says he's going with Manning against the Brownies.

[CSpringsNSD]

I think this may be a good week to see what OZ can do. Give Manning more rest from practice this week and plan to start OZ. We need to see what he can do surrounded by all the starters. This may be the best week to do so. Gives manning that much more rest since next week we have the bye.

Sounds reasonable to me but Kubiak says he's going with Manning against the Brownies.

I think it's a lost opportunity.

[CSpringsNSD]

Shortly after I write that this pops up on Fox...

http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/p ... ler-101215

[CSpringsNSD]

The article ends by justifying that Manning is ok because the Broncos are 5-0. What the writer fails to realize is that the Broncos are 5-0 despite Manning. It is clearly the defense that is winning the games, not Manning or the offense. Resting Manning and playing OZ this week and against the Bears in week 11 will give Manning an extra week before facing Green Bay and then New England. It also gives OZ valuable game reps that we may not be able to give him during other weeks. I don't see this offense running up the score board and allowing us to send in the reserves.

[Hoppy]

The article ends by justifying that Manning is ok because the Broncos are 5-0. What the writer fails to realize is that the Broncos are 5-0 despite Manning. It is clearly the defense that is winning the games, not Manning or the offense. Resting Manning and playing OZ this week and against the Bears in week 11 will give Manning an extra week before facing Green Bay and then New England. It also gives OZ valuable game reps that we may not be able to give him during other weeks. I don't see this offense running up the score board and allowing us to send in the reserves.

Springs I agree with you but I see that Kub is going with Manning. Manning will be given enough rope until the team hangs him. Soon the rumbling will start and the locker room will turn on Manning . Like the did Griese when the receivers all started getting hurt going up to catch passes he throws. When he hangs enough of them up to dry like Fowler was hung out yesterday . He was lucky and didn't get hit when he made that great catch on a pass that was bad. or like the one when Sanders was open and had to wait for the ball to get to him. Lucky the safety was late getting over. I say bench you say rest time will tell the story.

[OnlyInUtah]

You aren't going to go all 5 crimes on us and change your profile name to "FirePeytonManning" are you Hop?...

(lmao...I couldn't resist...lol)

[CSpringsNSD]

You aren't going to go all 5 crimes on us and change your profile name to "FirePeytonManning" are you Hop?...

(lmao...I couldn't resist...lol)

Lol.

[Bigmac1979]

It just keeps getting more beautifully ugly. I am loviny it! At this point we are watching clowns raping manatees in a septic tank but I just can't stop watching. This team is built to keep it close and muscle out a win. This is playoff football and we are mentally hardening. AArrrRoooo!

you say that but you know a Playoff team will beat this broncos O-less team. Brady will smack us the Bengals could beat us If we have to play any team that don't make mistakes we fold . Mannings passes were overthrown underthrown. Yes some were dropped this Offense ran for a whopping 42 yards on 15 tries. You know and everyone on this page knows we can't win a SB like this. so what do we do

"Brady will smack us"...don't forget, after 4 games last year, NE was 2-2, had just gotten embarrassed by KC, and people (including NE fans) were saying that Brady was done. I'm not saying that we are in the same position or even that Peyton is poised to roar back for an MVP year, but it goes to show that teams often evolve over the course of the year.
If Peyton keeps throwing more picks than TDs, then I my patience will obviously wear thin. But I think this team with Peyton has a higher floor than the team with Oz as the starter. Unfortunately, Peyton probably lowers the offensive ceiling, but with this quality defense, I'd rather keep my risk low, rather chase slightly higher offensive potential. And let's face it, as much as I like Oz, there is no doubt that he carries with him plenty of total bust potential. If Kubes wasted this talented defense on an eventual bust, he'd have a virtual mutiny on his hands!

We are now comparing a 2-2 record and everyone saying Brady was done. If you look back to the year before Brady played well. Look back at Peyton's last season and you will see he played well the first part then fell apart the last 7 games he hasn't had a good game in his last 15. I'd say there a difference there wouldn't you. what makes Manning different then Johnny U or Broadway Joe. Age catches up with the best. I saw a presser that that I'm getting sick of seeing. Manning shaking his head with a look of sorrow saying I have to play better. He can't Yes he may have a good game may be two but he will go back to who he is now a old man playing with young men who are now bigger faster and stronger. His reflexes have gotten slower he's late with passes and he throws them into\o double coverage. Oz can do that. But I bet by playoffs he will be serviceable. Manning was great but he can't get that back sorry that's My opinion

You are likely right that Good Ol' Manning is gone for good and just plain Ol' Manning is here to stay. I guess I was more trying to argue that the team (especially the line) still has a chance to evolve around him and he has a chance to adjust to his new reality. I know a Super Bowl victory is likely a long-shot either way, but I'm not yet willing to give up on that slim chance...When I try to imagine the most probable possible outcomes for this team, I just don't see our chances of winning a Super Bowl increasing in the hands the youngun, even if he boosts the offense in the short-term.
But believe me, my current opinion teeters on a razor's edge. If the line doesn't improve soon and Manning doesn't figure out how to re-think his approach to help out the defense, I'm not far off from seeing it your way. In fact, if Manning has a disastrous outing on Sunday, I would totally support Kubes using the bye to get Oz ready for a start against GB.

[CSpringsNSD]

In fact, if Manning has a disastrous outing on Sunday, I would totally support Kubes using the bye to get Oz ready for a start against GB.

Why wait? We could give OZ 2 weeks to work in the first team offense. That would be much better than 1 week. This team should be able to handle the browns with OZ under center.

[OnlyInUtah]

In fact, if Manning has a disastrous outing on Sunday, I would totally support Kubes using the bye to get Oz ready for a start against GB.

Why wait? We could give OZ 2 weeks to work in the first team offense. That would be much better than 1 week. This team should be able to handle the browns with OZ under center.

Kubiak has committed to starting Manning this week. At least in the press. We'll see but I think he'll ride this horse until it gives in.

[Bigmac1979]

In fact, if Manning has a disastrous outing on Sunday, I would totally support Kubes using the bye to get Oz ready for a start against GB.

Why wait? We could give OZ 2 weeks to work in the first team offense. That would be much better than 1 week. This team should be able to handle the browns with OZ under center.

Two reasons: #1 defenses win championships, but first years starters don't...even when they have #1 defenses (Big Ben, Russ Wilson)
I'd like to avoid making a move that probably takes us out of SB contention, unless it becomes clear that Manning and the offense are truly finished and incapable of improving. I'd rather not make the change next week either, but if it's going to happen, I'd like it to happen after a bye.

[CSpringsNSD]

I don't really want to give up on Manning either but it seems inevitable that he will continue to struggle. If that's the case we are better off putting Oz in sooner rather than later. The more reps he has under his belt before we reach teams like GB, NE, SDx2, Cinn the better. We have a really tough second half ahead of us.

[OnlyInUtah]

I don't really want to give up on Manning either but it seems inevitable that he will continue to struggle. If that's the case we are better off putting Oz in sooner rather than later. The more reps he has under his belt before we reach teams like GB, NE, SDx2, Cinn the better. We have a really tough second half ahead of us.

Yep....we do have a brutal second half of the season..

[Hoppy]

You aren't going to go all 5 crimes on us and change your profile name to "FirePeytonManning" are you Hop?...

(lmao...I couldn't resist...lol)

Don't fire him bench him I think he can still read the defenses better than anyone on the team. He just can't preform like he use to. He will still be valuable talking with' Brock and saying what he sees

[CSpringsNSD]

Do you think we could put mannings brain in Oz's body? Maybe we should have done that before the season started, not sure what the recovery time for a procedure like that would be

[CSpringsNSD]

So, it looks like the chiefs page imploded.

[Hoppy]

In fact, if Manning has a disastrous outing on Sunday, I would totally support Kubes using the bye to get Oz ready for a start against GB.

Why wait? We could give OZ 2 weeks to work in the first team offense. That would be much better than 1 week. This team should be able to handle the browns with OZ under center.

Kubiak has committed to starting Manning this week. At least in the press. We'll see but I think he'll ride this horse until it gives in.

I think the message is clear that if Manning continues to be bad he will be replaced. I hope it is sooner than later. I believe Brock with reps can get the ball out on time . He also will get the ball to the right reads. He looked good with the ones in the preseason. As for Kub what else is the coach going to say No I'm going to wait one more week then replace him

[OnlyInUtah]

So, it looks like the chiefs page imploded.

I just looked. Appears it has.

[OnlyInUtah]

http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/10/1 ... rible-idea

This dude is the anti-Hop....lol

[OnlyInUtah]

http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/10/1 ... re-for-now

[Hoppy]

http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/10/12/9512879/benching-peyton-manning-is-a-terrible-idea

This dude is the anti-Hop....lol

Not at all the second gif helps out what I said. It was the pass I thought Good thing that safety was out of place . Sanders had to almost stop to catch the ball leaving him open for a hard hit if the safety was where he was suppose to be. Late on the pass Sanders slows to catch a underthrown pass. and the corner catches him before he can pick up his speed again. That should have been a TD. Thanks The other pass was a little behind Sanders caught it on his back shoulder more than on his numbers. But at lease it was there. 2 years ago those passes would have been on the money.

[Hoppy]

In fact, if Manning has a disastrous outing on Sunday, I would totally support Kubes using the bye to get Oz ready for a start against GB.

Why wait? We could give OZ 2 weeks to work in the first team offense. That would be much better than 1 week. This team should be able to handle the browns with OZ under center.

Two reasons: #1 defenses win championships, but first years starters don't...even when they have #1 defenses (Big Ben, Russ Wilson)
I'd like to avoid making a move that probably takes us out of SB contention, unless it becomes clear that Manning and the offense are truly finished and incapable of improving. I'd rather not make the change next week either, but if it's going to happen, I'd like it to happen after a bye.

You keep bringing up Big Ben and Russell Wilson My question is what happened in their second seasons. That answer will be why you put him (Brock) in this season. We can not get to the Bowl with Manning. He is done. Now is the future . Let brock build some confidence with this defense winning games or next season we will be rebuilding and at the bottom of the division. The Manning experiment has failed. We didn't or will we ever win a Super bowl with him. But you know I'll be rooting for him as long as he wears the orange and blue. If you wait for next season with Brock you will not have all the same men on your defense and we may not be as good defensively. We may find that Brock isn't the one to carry us there and next season won't have to pay him. He is up for a contract next season. You have to believe they will take a look at him some time this season. Just have Manning call a presser and announce he wants to step down for the better of the team that way it's his decision and the whole world will be ok with that. At least Hop will

[Jarhead93]

http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/10/12/9512879/benching-peyton-manning-is-a-terrible-idea

This dude is the anti-Hop....lol

Not at all the second gif helps out what I said. It was the pass I thought Good thing that safety was out of place . Sanders had to almost stop to catch the ball leaving him open for a hard hit if the safety was where he was suppose to be. Late on the pass Sanders slows to catch a underthrown pass. and the corner catches him before he can pick up his speed again. That should have been a TD. Thanks The other pass was a little behind Sanders caught it on his back shoulder more than on his numbers. But at lease it was there. 2 years ago those passes would have been on the money.

-- Here is my .4cents

1. Cents Peyton is the one that got you here, you ride the horse until he cain't be rid no mowah
2. Cents I don't know if the "brain transplant" would work Springs, Didn't someone try that already? Ryan Leaf comes to mind
3. Cents the defense is awesome !!! Dude Wade man, let the horses run free over Brady & Rogers, if we can get past those 2 we definitely have playoff implications
4. Cents None of this makes any cents I'll step off my soapbox now.

[Bigmac1979]

In fact, if Manning has a disastrous outing on Sunday, I would totally support Kubes using the bye to get Oz ready for a start against GB.

Why wait? We could give OZ 2 weeks to work in the first team offense. That would be much better than 1 week. This team should be able to handle the browns with OZ under center.

Two reasons: #1 defenses win championships, but first years starters don't...even when they have #1 defenses (Big Ben, Russ Wilson)
I'd like to avoid making a move that probably takes us out of SB contention, unless it becomes clear that Manning and the offense are truly finished and incapable of improving. I'd rather not make the change next week either, but if it's going to happen, I'd like it to happen after a bye.

You keep bringing up Big Ben and Russell Wilson My question is what happened in their second seasons. That answer will be why you put him (Brock) in this season. We can not get to the Bowl with Manning. He is done. Now is the future . Let brock build some confidence with this defense winning games or next season we will be rebuilding and at the bottom of the division. The Manning experiment has failed. We didn't or will we ever win a Super bowl with him. But you know I'll be rooting for him as long as he wears the orange and blue. If you wait for next season with Brock you will not have all the same men on your defense and we may not be as good defensively. We may find that Brock isn't the one to carry us there and next season won't have to pay him. He is up for a contract next season. You have to believe they will take a look at him some time this season. Just have Manning call a presser and announce he wants to step down for the better of the team that way it's his decision and the whole world will be ok with that. At least Hop will

I'm not at all confident that we will be able to bring back this D at the same level next year...Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, Trevathan, Malik Jackson, Antonio Smith, David Bruton, Brandon Marshall (RFA), and Bolden are all Free Agents after this season. Even with Manning's contract to play with, that is a lot of raises to hand out. Not to mention that we still have to re-sign or replace Mathis, Harris, Hillman, C.J., Norword, Fowler, McManus, and Paradis (those last three are Ex. Rights FAs). It just doesn't make sense to me to play for next year when you are 5-0 and have the #1 defense. If I'm the coach, I'm not making a QB switch unless I'm DAMN sure that Manning and the offense cannot win a ring at the current level of performance AND have zero shot to improve. If he does make the switch and Oz fails even worse, the fans will call for Kube's head on a pike.