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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:25 pm

CSpringsNSD wrote:Everyone making a big deal of Manning missing practice yesterday but they forget that he hasn't practiced most Wednesdays so far this season. Kubs and Elway have been sitting him since the preseason.


Kubiak said he looked good today in a limited roll (Foot injury) He will be evaluated again on Friday. He also said there were too many negative run and said the pistol was part of the problem (Thank You I've been saying that all season)he also said no excuse for not being better.
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Bigmac1979 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:47 pm

Hoppy wrote:
CSpringsNSD wrote:Everyone making a big deal of Manning missing practice yesterday but they forget that he hasn't practiced most Wednesdays so far this season. Kubs and Elway have been sitting him since the preseason.


Kubiak said he looked good today in a limited roll (Foot injury) He will be evaluated again on Friday. He also said there were too many negative run and said the pistol was part of the problem (Thank You I've been saying that all season)he also said no excuse for not being better.

The pistol is the cause of our running woes? Seriously?!?!
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:25 pm

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CSpringsNSD wrote:Everyone making a big deal of Manning missing practice yesterday but they forget that he hasn't practiced most Wednesdays so far this season. Kubs and Elway have been sitting him since the preseason.


Kubiak said he looked good today in a limited roll (Foot injury) He will be evaluated again on Friday. He also said there were too many negative run and said the pistol was part of the problem (Thank You I've been saying that all season)he also said no excuse for not being better.

The pistol is the cause of our running woes? Seriously?!?!


It's part of the problem His words
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:39 pm

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby IckyIPA » Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:18 pm

Hoppy wrote:
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Hoppy wrote:
CSpringsNSD wrote:Everyone making a big deal of Manning missing practice yesterday but they forget that he hasn't practiced most Wednesdays so far this season. Kubs and Elway have been sitting him since the preseason.


Kubiak said he looked good today in a limited roll (Foot injury) He will be evaluated again on Friday. He also said there were too many negative run and said the pistol was part of the problem (Thank You I've been saying that all season)he also said no excuse for not being better.

The pistol is the cause of our running woes? Seriously?!?!


It's part of the problem His words

The Pistol isn't the problem as much as it is the way it's being used. The formation is designed to benefit the run game, but you need a QB that can operate it and a coach that can teach a line how to do it. We have the wrong Coach and QB to successfully operate out of the Pistol
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby OnlyInUtah » Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:31 pm

Plus this is a makeshift line that hasn't worked together very long.
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:36 pm

Just repeating what Troy Renck Tweeted from practiced: Kubiak said Too many negative runs part of it pistol formation but no excuse for not being better your fight is with the coach
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Bigmac1979 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:53 pm

Listen, maybe the pistol isn't the perfect fit for our personnel, but it's NOT the cause of our running problems, which preceded our first snap in the pistol...if anything, the running game has improved since implementing the pistol. We've had 3 100 yard rushers under the pistol (none in our first two games where we used under-center and shotgun formations). It's also true that we have had some terrible rushing games since implementing the pistol, but irregardless, it also seems to be the best formation to help Manning (you know, that guy that mans the most important position in football). It allows him to keep his eyes on the defense, yet still provides him with play-action opportunities (which have been very effective). I don't think it's a coincidence that Manning's yardage and yards per attempt have been MUCH better since going to the Pistol. This offense has to improve in a lot of areas, but it's a red herring to keep looking to the scheme for a scapegoat or a cure-all.
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby OnlyInUtah » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:08 pm

Before we ran the pistol....we had about .5 yards per carry. After? Not great but a huge improvement.
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby OnlyInUtah » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:09 pm

Hoppy wrote:Just repeating what Troy Renck Tweeted from practiced: Kubiak said Too many negative runs part of it pistol formation but no excuse for not being better your fight is with the coach



Troy Renck is a reporter. Nuff said.
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Bigmac1979 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:10 am

This is how CRUCIAL the pistol has been for Manning...In the two games before the pistol was installed, Manning's QB rating on non play-action throws was the same as it was for play-action throws...75 (among the league's worst)
Since going primarily to the pistol, Manning's QB rating on non-play action throws has stayed about the same: 68
But look at the jump in Manning's QB rating since installing the pistol: 104 (9th best)...he's also leading the NFL on yards per play-action attempt (12 yds) from weeks 2-9.
I'd say a jump from 75 to 104 on play-action QB rating is pretty noteworth, eh?
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:26 am

I think you guys just like to argue with Hop how's that I spoke in third person . always wanted to know how that felt. Renck is just a reporter ,but a reporter who talks with the coach of the Denver Broncos. If he want to continue talking with the coach he wouldn't miss quote him without a retraction. If he post one I'll let you know. Again the pistol is because Manning can't read the defenses going back. Sorry on a run play Manning can't change the play after it starts. so why would he need to read. He has to catch the ball so he's not looking at the defense while the ball is in the air and after the catch he just gives the ball to the back. where does he read. He's in the pistol because he isn't use to being under center and has a problem with it. after the read before the snap Manning doesn't read much he may read the safety or a back before the pass but not on a run. Backs like to get a head of steam going before they get the ball. In the pistol they don't get that. Yes the pistol doesn't go well with the scheme Kubiak runs. Don't care about all the stats it doesn't fit. If they do well they would do better. The teams that we ran well against are at the bottom of the league in rushing defense. The past game they went away from the run first plan and passed the ball too much that's why the 17-0 lead. Yes the coach agrees with me no I agree with him for once
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby kicks » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:37 am

Hoppy wrote:I think you guys just like to argue with Hop how's that I spoke in third person . always wanted to know how that felt. Renck is just a reporter ,but a reporter who talks with the coach of the Denver Broncos. If he want to continue talking with the coach he wouldn't miss quote him without a retraction. If he post one I'll let you know. Again the pistol is because Manning can't read the defenses going back. Sorry on a run play Manning can't change the play after it starts. so why would he need to read. He has to catch the ball so he's not looking at the defense while the ball is in the air and after the catch he just gives the ball to the back. where does he read. He's in the pistol because he isn't use to being under center and has a problem with it. after the read before the snap Manning doesn't read much he may read the safety or a back before the pass but not on a run. Backs like to get a head of steam going before they get the ball. In the pistol they don't get that. Yes the pistol doesn't go well with the scheme Kubiak runs. Don't care about all the stats it doesn't fit. If they do well they would do better. The teams that we ran well against are at the bottom of the league in rushing defense. The past game they went away from the run first plan and passed the ball too much that's why the 17-0 lead. Yes the coach agrees with me no I agree with him for once


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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby kicks » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:40 am

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Wow... Wonder if the NFL considered this. I bet they didn't.
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:35 pm

kicks wrote:http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5645ef84e4b08cda3488576c?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


Wow... Wonder if the NFL considered this. I bet they didn't.


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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:38 pm

Hop thinks you'll like this a peace offering
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

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kicks wrote:http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5645ef84e4b08cda3488576c?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


Wow... Wonder if the NFL considered this. I bet they didn't.


here's your answer
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:53 pm

M. Jackson and the defense say they're going to get back to business
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Bigmac1979 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:12 pm

Hoppy wrote:I think you guys just like to argue with Hop how's that I spoke in third person . always wanted to know how that felt. Renck is just a reporter ,but a reporter who talks with the coach of the Denver Broncos. If he want to continue talking with the coach he wouldn't miss quote him without a retraction. If he post one I'll let you know. Again the pistol is because Manning can't read the defenses going back. Sorry on a run play Manning can't change the play after it starts. so why would he need to read. He has to catch the ball so he's not looking at the defense while the ball is in the air and after the catch he just gives the ball to the back. where does he read. He's in the pistol because he isn't use to being under center and has a problem with it. after the read before the snap Manning doesn't read much he may read the safety or a back before the pass but not on a run. Backs like to get a head of steam going before they get the ball. In the pistol they don't get that. Yes the pistol doesn't go well with the scheme Kubiak runs. Don't care about all the stats it doesn't fit. If they do well they would do better. The teams that we ran well against are at the bottom of the league in rushing defense. The past game they went away from the run first plan and passed the ball too much that's why the 17-0 lead. Yes the coach agrees with me no I agree with him for once

On passing plays, it's easier to read the defense out of the shotgun...passing is a huge part of the game...we pass much better out of the pistol, which is born out by stats, results, observations, Manning, etc. Pistol may not be a good fit for Kubiak's preferred system, but they already tried Kubiak's system and it was a disaster all around.
How about you tell us what scheme Denver should run with Manning (because a QB change ain't coming)
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby OnlyInUtah » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:14 pm

Hoppy wrote:
kicks wrote:http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5645ef84e4b08cda3488576c?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


Wow... Wonder if the NFL considered this. I bet they didn't.


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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby IckyIPA » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:20 pm

Hoppy wrote:Hop thinks you'll like this a peace offering
https://t.co/M1pOXz8BCF

Hop, is that a "Peace" offering or a "Piece" offering? :twisted:
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby kicks » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:22 pm

The article said 8% of all men and .5% off all women are colorblind. Two shocking things stand out to me. Almost 1 in 10 men are colorblind? Wow! And men are 16 times more likely to be colorblind than women?

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby kicks » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:24 pm

IckyIPA wrote:
Hoppy wrote:Hop thinks you'll like this a peace offering
https://t.co/M1pOXz8BCF

Hop, is that a "Peace" offering or a "Piece" offering? :twisted:



Be at peace with that piece I suppose.
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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

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kicks wrote:
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Hoppy wrote:Hop thinks you'll like this a peace offering
https://t.co/M1pOXz8BCF

Hop, is that a "Peace" offering or a "Piece" offering? :twisted:



Be at peace with that piece I suppose.

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Re: AFC West Denver Broncos

Postby Hoppy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:19 pm

Bigmac1979 wrote:
Hoppy wrote:I think you guys just like to argue with Hop how's that I spoke in third person . always wanted to know how that felt. Renck is just a reporter ,but a reporter who talks with the coach of the Denver Broncos. If he want to continue talking with the coach he wouldn't miss quote him without a retraction. If he post one I'll let you know. Again the pistol is because Manning can't read the defenses going back. Sorry on a run play Manning can't change the play after it starts. so why would he need to read. He has to catch the ball so he's not looking at the defense while the ball is in the air and after the catch he just gives the ball to the back. where does he read. He's in the pistol because he isn't use to being under center and has a problem with it. after the read before the snap Manning doesn't read much he may read the safety or a back before the pass but not on a run. Backs like to get a head of steam going before they get the ball. In the pistol they don't get that. Yes the pistol doesn't go well with the scheme Kubiak runs. Don't care about all the stats it doesn't fit. If they do well they would do better. The teams that we ran well against are at the bottom of the league in rushing defense. The past game they went away from the run first plan and passed the ball too much that's why the 17-0 lead. Yes the coach agrees with me no I agree with him for once

On passing plays, it's easier to read the defense out of the shotgun...passing is a huge part of the game...we pass much better out of the pistol, which is born out by stats, results, observations, Manning, etc. Pistol may not be a good fit for Kubiak's preferred system, but they already tried Kubiak's system and it was a disaster all around.
How about you tell us what scheme Denver should run with Manning (because a QB change ain't coming)


How about we see what the coach comes up with. You blame me and although I've said this all season Now the COACH is saying it and You say how about Hop telling you how to fix the problem. I've told you how I'd fix it but now that the COACH has identified the same problem or just as he calls it Part of the problem let's hope that the man can fix it. I don't care how he fixes it just fix the problem because we can't keep hoping that we win the championship without running the ball. Stop thinking with you heart It's not about Peyton it's about the team.
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