AFC West Denver Broncos

[CSpringsNSD]

I understand Idaho's thoughts on restructuring Manning and many other vets to keep as much of the team as possible. Unfortunately, one of the downsides of having a successful team is that those pieces that got you there want to get paid and other teams are hungry for a piece of the success. This hunger inflates the price on a player that may not work as well outside the system they were in. It's a gamble, but one teams take and pay for every year. The fact is that Manning is a very expensive piece who missed a good portion of the year. Yes he can be great when healthy but we keep seeing that healthy part of the season getting shorter and shorter for Manning. The last season and a half have shown a big drop-off. We will see what the off-season holds, in the end I trust Elway to make the best, most informed decisions for the team. He has done a great job up to this point.

[Hoppy]

The problem with the draft is there are no sure fire picks. Anyone of them can turn into a bust.

Elliott or henry you take a chance

[Hoppy]

Everybody is worried about next year....rightfully so....BUT?


We need to win a SB next week......with a good defensive performance and a mistake free offensive performance.....we can and will win.

Then we'll see how the cards play out after that.

true that but the game is a week away and the gameplan is in what else can we do. I say before the draft trade DT to get the 1-5 choice and draft a top RB there that was stupid.
Maybe not so stupid he has a big contract and can't catch more money for us

I'm with you on that one Hop. DT acted like a man that got paid, and didn't have to work hard any more. I watched him short arm passes, run half ass routes, and generally not give a shit. All that and he dropped too many that were right on target. I would like to see more of Bennie Fowler, and remember the guy Peyton told us about, Jordan Taylor. Wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit to see Elway shop DT in favor of hungry hustlers like them. Pretty much the only thing that could change my mind on DT, is a SB MVP performance. And damn it, he is capable of it.

lead the league in drops - one catch games trade him

[Hoppy]

And forget about "If's and what If's....I don't see Brock going anywhere and to say Ware is retiring and all the other garbage is BS....The Bronco could very well win the SB and I think they will.....so why would Elway do anything but do his magic and restructure EVERYTHING he can to retain this awesome team....it can be done....all the millions of dollars the players want....they want to win most of all. This is a special team and I think all involved would be very interested in giving it another shot next year even if they have to maybe not earn that extra million they could get from another team.

Denver has and always will have integrity as a team first attitude that a lot of other teams don't have.

Houston tried to trade for brock the last 2 years

[OnlyInUtah]

The problem with the draft is there are no sure fire picks. Anyone of them can turn into a bust.

Elliott or henry you take a chance

Not with a top 5 pick I wouldn't. Maybe 15-25.

[Hoppy]

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[IdahoBronco1]

I'm sure everynody here would like your vision to be true Idaho. The problem is, this is the NFL, not MLB. There are no New York Yankees in this league. The simple fact is, there is just not enough momey to retain an entire roster, even if you could just pay them the tenure minimums. There is no way to pay, a Manning, and a Ware, even at discounted salaries, and have enough left over to keep the unrestricted free agents from going elsewhere to get their big paydays.We are not talking about just a million here or there. We are talking about as much as ten million more each for Von and Osweiller, to get them to even consider staying. Trevathon and Marshall will be at least another 5-6 million each, even with a home town discount. As it is with every team, every year, tough calls will have to be made and the parting of ways , with some prime performers will be a necessity.It is better to say good-bye to past their prime stars, at peak salaries, where you have proven young depth, than it is to lose the core of your teams future, to the hungry high bidders. They will certainly come suiting for them, with more money than we would be able to afford. There are only two or thee big paydays in these players careers, and you can be sure that they will make the most of them. I trust Elway to work his magic, and put us in the best possible position, to win now, and from now on.

So you are saying that our star players would make ten million dollars more per year than they are already getting from the Bronco if they went to another team.....wrong math....they may make a million or 2 more with another team if they don't restructure...not 10 million more. All the players have to do is stay put and let the front office crunch the figures and see what they can do for the players. NO PLAYER will make 10 million dollars more than they already make by going to another team...period. Don't understand what your math is. Yes there will be great offers for the best players on the Bronco team....but, by simply restructuring their contract for one more year to see where it can go.....no player is going to miss out on an extra 10 million dollars....makes no sense.

[IdahoBronco1]

And a pure example is Clady. Nobody has to sacrifice too much and good hell they make enough already. It's not like they take a little pay cut and then get hurt and don't have enough money to take care of themselves....My God, they're all already rich already. The poor football players couldn't get hurt by restructuring their contracts slightly to make another run at it.....poor, poor, rich football players...sad to be them. I can be done.

[IdahoBronco1]

And dimes to donuts....I'll bet money that Peyton would take a drastic cut in next years pay, with incentives...to stay and give it another shot. Beats the hell out of retirement or going to another team. We got something special and it would be stupid for Brock to look elsewhere when after next year this is his team.

[IdahoBronco1]

And a pure example is Clady. Nobody has to sacrifice too much and good hell they make enough already. It's not like they take a little pay cut and then get hurt and don't have enough money to take care of themselves....My God, they're all already rich already. The poor football players couldn't get hurt by restructuring their contracts slightly to make another run at it.....poor, poor, rich football players...sad to be them. I can be done.

*It can be done..

[IckyIPA]

I'm sure everynody here would like your vision to be true Idaho. The problem is, this is the NFL, not MLB. There are no New York Yankees in this league. The simple fact is, there is just not enough momey to retain an entire roster, even if you could just pay them the tenure minimums. There is no way to pay, a Manning, and a Ware, even at discounted salaries, and have enough left over to keep the unrestricted free agents from going elsewhere to get their big paydays.We are not talking about just a million here or there. We are talking about as much as ten million more each for Von and Osweiller, to get them to even consider staying. Trevathon and Marshall will be at least another 5-6 million each, even with a home town discount. As it is with every team, every year, tough calls will have to be made and the parting of ways , with some prime performers will be a necessity.It is better to say good-bye to past their prime stars, at peak salaries, where you have proven young depth, than it is to lose the core of your teams future, to the hungry high bidders. They will certainly come suiting for them, with more money than we would be able to afford. There are only two or thee big paydays in these players careers, and you can be sure that they will make the most of them. I trust Elway to work his magic, and put us in the best possible position, to win now, and from now on.

So you are saying that our star players would make ten million dollars more per year than they are already getting from the Bronco if they went to another team.....wrong math....they may make a million or 2 more with another team if they don't restructure...not 10 million more. All the players have to do is stay put and let the front office crunch the figures and see what they can do for the players. NO PLAYER will make 10 million dollars more than they already make by going to another team...period. Don't understand what your math is. Yes there will be great offers for the best players on the Bronco team....but, by simply restructuring their contract for one more year to see where it can go.....no player is going to miss out on an extra 10 million dollars....makes no sense.

You are confused, let me see if I can clarify this for you. The 10 million I referred to is how much more it will take to resign a player like Miller, who is an UFA. He made 5+ million this year and wants to be the highest paid D player in the NFL. So. in reality, 10 million is a low estimate and could go as high as 15 million more, to put him up there with Watt. That money has to come from somewhere Idaho. There are several UFAs on this team this year that have hefty raises coming their way. If we are to retain the core of this team, we need to free up some cash. We will need a lot more than the 2-3 million Peyton and Ware might accept as a pay cut. Like I said, tough decisions are going to have to be made. I would like to hear what you think we could get away with paying Manning and Osweiller and be able to keep both. I'm being realistic here.

[OnlyInUtah]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/rep ... li=BBnbfcL


Manning is reported to have told friends he's retiring after this SB.

[OnlyInUtah]

Denver currently has $10,923,505 in cap space in 2016. This isn't counting paying the unrestricted free agents. There are also restricted free agents as well. The UFA Bronco players are as follows:

Von Miller
Evan Mathis
Vernon Davis
Antonio Smith
David Bruton
Malik Jackson
Danny Trevathan
Andre Caldwell
Ryan Harris
Brock Osweiler
Ronnie Hillman
Omar Bolden
Jordan Norwood
Kyle Williams
Shiloh Keo
Tyler Polumbus

Add the restricted free agents who can get a better offer from another team and we'd have to match plus the 5-7 million we need to pay our draft class and we are at next years cap wall without signing any UFA's. Letting some leave is a no brainer but they also don't make very much. Clady and Ware will both have to take pay cuts or hit the road. Manning has reportedly told friends he's retiring next year....but even if we tag Miller he'll get 15 million and we need to keep quite a few people off of the UFA list so we'll be up against the cap next year in any event.

[Hoppy]

clady will restructure he said today
https://t.co/MAlcCSV1Fv

[kicks]

clady will restructure he said today
https://t.co/MAlcCSV1Fv

Personally, I think he should give us a free year or two. Not that that would really happen. Clady is a beast but he has to be on the field. Missing every Superbowl is HUGE!

[Hoppy]

who knows this lady scan down and click on the lady next to the car
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[Jarhead93]

who knows this lady scan down and click on the lady next to the car
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q ... 2174329410

**Lily Munster** Yvonne DeCarlo
<serious hottie>

[IckyIPA]

who knows this lady scan down and click on the lady next to the car
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q ... 2174329410

Yvonne DeCarlo (Lilly Munster)...I'm sure that's a photoshop Hoppy. They didn't make G-strings like that, back when she was a hotty

[kicks]

who knows this lady scan down and click on the lady next to the car
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q ... 2174329410

Yvonne DeCarlo (Lilly Munster)...I'm sure that's a photoshop Hoppy. They didn't make G-strings like that, back when she was a hotty

Lol. I was just going to call BS on that photo. Yvonne did the Munsters when she was older than the woman in that photo. The photo is clearly of someone trying to look like Lilly. It's close but I would guess that is not her. My best guess is that it's a current photo done in black and white. Yvonne was born in 1922. She appears about 20 in that photo and The Munsters came out in 1964.

[kicks]

That's still one sexy photo though.

[Hoppy]

just wanted to post something we all could agree on

[IckyIPA]

just wanted to post something we all could agree on

[Hoppy]

clady will restructure he said today
https://t.co/MAlcCSV1Fv

Personally, I think he should give us a free year or two. Not that that would really happen. Clady is a beast but he has to be on the field. Missing every Superbowl is HUGE!

clady was drafted in 2008 and played every down until the sb year last year he played every down then hurt this year where's the loyalty he's a PB player

[Hoppy]

jonhy football to be cut
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[Hoppy]

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[CSpringsNSD]

jonhy football to be cut
http://track.newsletter.247sports.com/e ... V0aW5nIn0~

This is exactly what he wanted. He's been trying to get cut since he was drafted. I bet his act cleans up fast when he gets to whatever team he made an under the table deal with. His past troubles gave him the perfect setup to pull this kind of stunt and the receiving team knew that and probably helped suggest it.

[Hoppy]

jonhy football to be cut
http://track.newsletter.247sports.com/e ... V0aW5nIn0~

This is exactly what he wanted. He's been trying to get cut since he was drafted. I bet his act cleans up fast when he gets to whatever team he made an under the table deal with. His past troubles gave him the perfect setup to pull this kind of stunt and the receiving team knew that and probably helped suggest it.

giving him too much credit

[CSpringsNSD]

jonhy football to be cut
http://track.newsletter.247sports.com/e ... V0aW5nIn0~

This is exactly what he wanted. He's been trying to get cut since he was drafted. I bet his act cleans up fast when he gets to whatever team he made an under the table deal with. His past troubles gave him the perfect setup to pull this kind of stunt and the receiving team knew that and probably helped suggest it.

giving him too much credit

I'm not saying it was his idea. I'm saying he was more than capable of going out and partying (being himself) under the direction of someone else.

[CSpringsNSD]

he wants to play for Dallas right? I can imagine Johnny and Jerry sitting down to drinks and Jerry goes "you know what? You want to play for me right? Why don't you go be yourself, party hard, get yourself in trouble and get released. I'll scoop you up and look good in the process for giving a young kid a second chance. You look good by cleaning up your act for me and we all get out of this better off then we were before".

[CSpringsNSD]

Broncos buses in a minor crash returning from the Stanford stadium. All players check out ok.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/kub ... li=BBnba9I